1 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:11,800 Are you not allowed to smoke? 2 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:14,840 Not me. 3 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:16,900 You do. 4 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:31,520 Fri, if you're still thinking about anything Stefan, then you have to give that to me. 5 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,260 All beds help for a good one diversion. I never had Roosje with me 6 00:00:38,260 --> 00:00:39,260 let him. 7 00:00:41,290 --> 00:00:43,170 That the elderly are really not allowed lose. 8 00:00:43,630 --> 00:00:45,190 So give them your pills in the morning. 9 00:00:47,930 --> 00:00:49,470 Won't you be very happy now? 10 00:00:51,190 --> 00:00:52,890 Fri, please. 11 00:00:53,190 --> 00:00:55,290 I'm not going to hurt myself, Harry. 12 00:00:57,410 --> 00:00:59,010 You said that quite a bit. 13 00:01:01,930 --> 00:01:03,630 In three days it's up to us. 14 00:01:04,870 --> 00:01:09,910 The chairman is going to question you and the jury will feel who you really are. 15 00:01:10,830 --> 00:01:13,250 Instead of what the media made of you have. 16 00:02:53,140 --> 00:02:55,940 Yes. Yes. 17 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,120 TV Gelderland 2021 18 00:04:01,550 --> 00:04:04,710 Hello madam, you can put your coat in the box please put, handbag, jacket. 19 00:04:06,930 --> 00:04:07,930 Do you get a bag? 20 00:04:09,150 --> 00:04:10,190 Okay, please. 21 00:04:12,410 --> 00:04:14,570 Yes, thank you. You may leave your belongings visible make. 22 00:04:21,050 --> 00:04:22,130 You were closed on that side. 23 00:04:23,610 --> 00:04:26,790 Yes, our controller, then we will switch until the jury draw. 24 00:04:27,190 --> 00:04:30,350 This is done through a system of drawing lots questions. 25 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,780 Then we will now proceed to the drawing of lots jury. 26 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,280 Holly Keusters. 27 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,280 Agree. Agree. That's your juror number one, Mrs Keusters. 28 00:05:08,540 --> 00:05:09,640 You may take a seat. 29 00:05:10,060 --> 00:05:11,060 Thank you. 30 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,460 Arnold Briers. 31 00:05:17,540 --> 00:05:18,540 Yes. 32 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,120 Agree. Agree. You may take a seat. 33 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:37,840 Mirjam Vermeijeren. 34 00:05:38,660 --> 00:05:39,660 Here. 35 00:05:43,060 --> 00:05:44,060 Disagree. 36 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,480 Then you can take a seat back in the room. 37 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:47,720 Thank you. 38 00:05:53,180 --> 00:05:54,200 Yuri Cornil. 39 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:56,520 Yes. 40 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,080 Agree. 41 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:00,400 Please take a seat, sir. Thank you. 42 00:06:21,050 --> 00:06:22,210 Noel Marinus. 43 00:06:25,270 --> 00:06:26,270 Agree. 44 00:06:27,850 --> 00:06:30,910 Then you are legal number 12. You are allowed take a seat. 45 00:06:34,190 --> 00:06:37,350 Finally, we also draw two more alternate jurors. 46 00:06:40,590 --> 00:06:42,150 Delphine Spijkers. 47 00:06:49,750 --> 00:06:51,550 Delphine Spijkers. 48 00:07:00,290 --> 00:07:02,230 Are you Delphine Spijkers? 49 00:07:06,940 --> 00:07:07,940 Agree. 50 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,800 Agree. Then you can take a seat. 51 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,000 No. 52 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:18,800 Excuse me. 53 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,200 I... Sorry. 54 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,680 I thought twelve people had already been chosen were. 55 00:07:28,020 --> 00:07:31,220 There are always two alternates indicated, if necessary during the process 56 00:07:31,220 --> 00:07:32,400 one of the twelve disappears. 57 00:07:32,700 --> 00:07:35,120 But I'm not going. I have three children. 58 00:07:35,659 --> 00:07:39,340 You will be given ample time for care to arrange for your children. 59 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,600 I don't feel so good. 60 00:07:44,220 --> 00:07:46,400 Ma'am, I want you to take a seat now. That is your duty. 61 00:07:46,900 --> 00:07:50,240 I have a headache. I... Ma'am, have you a doctor's certificate? 62 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,920 Then I'm afraid you don't have a valid reason have. 63 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:00,480 Demir Karadja. 64 00:08:32,429 --> 00:08:33,329 Everything okay? 65 00:08:33,330 --> 00:08:33,789 I 66 00:08:33,789 --> 00:08:46,610 had 67 00:08:46,610 --> 00:08:51,390 I never thought I would be here either sit. 68 00:08:51,850 --> 00:08:55,030 Otherwise, shouldn't we just give our name? say? 69 00:08:56,930 --> 00:08:57,950 I'm Yuri. 70 00:08:59,650 --> 00:09:00,650 Kurt. 71 00:09:02,470 --> 00:09:03,470 Arnold. 72 00:09:03,910 --> 00:09:04,910 Vera. 73 00:09:05,290 --> 00:09:06,290 Demir. 74 00:09:06,770 --> 00:09:07,770 Karl. 75 00:09:08,010 --> 00:09:09,010 I'm Holly. 76 00:09:10,250 --> 00:09:11,250 Guys, right? 77 00:09:11,450 --> 00:09:13,410 You're not exactly in AA or anything. 78 00:09:14,330 --> 00:09:15,870 We're not in AA here. 79 00:09:17,390 --> 00:09:19,450 Aren't we just taking our time a little bit? to comply? 80 00:09:20,170 --> 00:09:22,070 Yes, it's quite good for me. 81 00:09:22,970 --> 00:09:26,550 The process hasn't started yet and I I think we're meant to anyway 82 00:09:26,550 --> 00:09:27,550 be impartial. 83 00:09:27,810 --> 00:09:29,850 But you've already formed an opinion, Holly? 84 00:09:30,790 --> 00:09:31,790 No. 85 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:40,040 Do you know, if you are a substitute, that you should always be here. 86 00:09:40,940 --> 00:09:42,620 Yes, I think so. 87 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,580 Dear people, please have your attention. 88 00:09:46,860 --> 00:09:49,280 You'll be back here on Monday expected. 89 00:09:49,860 --> 00:09:53,560 And in this photo you will find all necessary information. 90 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:20,660 In the millennium process of 91 00:10:20,660 --> 00:10:23,600 Free Palmers awaits the judges one tough task. 92 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,700 Palmers would be her two-year-old daughter, Roos de Munk, died with a shard of glass 93 00:10:27,700 --> 00:10:28,700 have brought. 94 00:10:28,790 --> 00:10:31,510 after she lost her parental authority in a contested divorce. 95 00:10:32,350 --> 00:10:36,650 In addition, her ex-husband, Stéphane, claims the Munch, that Palmers also murdered 96 00:10:36,650 --> 00:10:40,590 her best friend Brechtje Vindevogel allegedly committed 18 years ago. 97 00:10:43,290 --> 00:10:46,090 I still can't imagine that Free my daughter said have killed. 98 00:10:46,870 --> 00:10:50,270 Brechtje and Free were the best friends at university. 99 00:10:50,670 --> 00:10:54,270 I've never seen anything violent in Free do. 100 00:10:54,550 --> 00:10:56,190 So now if I want to tell you that... 101 00:10:56,490 --> 00:11:00,230 That Free both my daughter and her would have killed her own daughter, that 102 00:11:00,230 --> 00:11:04,410 I can't get in there. So it's you disagree with Stefan de Munk, who says 103 00:11:04,410 --> 00:11:07,770 they are both ex-wife Free Palmers committed murders. 104 00:11:08,170 --> 00:11:14,970 I don't want to respond to it right now. We maybe it will 105 00:11:14,970 --> 00:11:15,970 say later. 106 00:11:17,550 --> 00:11:24,410 A woman who has her own child something like that puts on, them 107 00:11:24,410 --> 00:11:25,410 should they... 108 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,680 They must never release them again. 109 00:11:28,100 --> 00:11:32,320 What my wife means is that we hope that this jury will sentence Free to 110 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,660 lifelong. I understand being Stefan anger. 111 00:11:36,140 --> 00:11:37,320 I also lost a child. 112 00:11:39,500 --> 00:11:42,780 But I don't see the connection between one case from 18 years ago and a case of 113 00:11:42,780 --> 00:11:43,780 2 years ago. 114 00:11:44,100 --> 00:11:47,020 And besides, Free has an alibi. 115 00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:52,540 January 1, 2000, the day that Brechtje disappeared, she wasn't around. But 116 00:11:52,540 --> 00:11:54,580 the evening of the attack on Roos. 117 00:11:55,170 --> 00:11:56,170 Yes. 118 00:11:57,110 --> 00:12:00,930 Free and Stefan, that was a really bad one marriage. 119 00:12:01,730 --> 00:12:06,770 That divorce broke her, but she loved Roos to death. 120 00:12:07,430 --> 00:12:08,450 Brechtje too, by the way. 121 00:12:13,250 --> 00:12:14,250 Bye, Dad. 122 00:12:14,390 --> 00:12:15,390 Day, 123 00:12:15,670 --> 00:12:17,310 daddy. Bye, honey. 124 00:12:20,210 --> 00:12:21,350 How was it at work? 125 00:12:21,870 --> 00:12:22,870 It was good. 126 00:12:24,590 --> 00:12:26,790 Let's leave you that coat in the get going, honey? 127 00:12:28,150 --> 00:12:29,890 What are we eating? 128 00:12:30,810 --> 00:12:32,110 Tripe with applesauce. 129 00:12:38,530 --> 00:12:38,890 If 130 00:12:38,890 --> 00:12:48,650 my 131 00:12:48,650 --> 00:12:50,970 bitcoins continue to rise well, I agree can help pay for our trip. 132 00:12:55,439 --> 00:12:56,540 How was that jury thing? 133 00:12:57,980 --> 00:12:59,300 Fine, yes. I'm done with it. 134 00:12:59,540 --> 00:13:02,480 Serious? We're having a festival here affected, as I said. 135 00:13:04,420 --> 00:13:05,420 Dad, 136 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,920 I have a new song on the piano learned. Are you coming? 137 00:14:06,060 --> 00:14:07,140 I'm really fed up with that house. 138 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:19,480 Okay. 139 00:14:19,860 --> 00:14:21,840 I can put it up for sale tomorrow, if you want. 140 00:14:25,980 --> 00:14:26,980 Fine. 141 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,360 But not under my close name. 142 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,280 It's not the mule master, okay? 143 00:14:36,970 --> 00:14:37,970 Like this. 144 00:14:38,750 --> 00:14:42,190 I will redo the chess report prepare and send by courier. 145 00:14:43,690 --> 00:14:44,690 Yes. 146 00:14:47,390 --> 00:14:48,390 What? 147 00:14:49,790 --> 00:14:50,790 No, nothing. 148 00:14:51,850 --> 00:14:53,590 I'm glad we're talking again. 149 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,460 It's okay if I go and Brian would go along. 150 00:15:17,780 --> 00:15:20,300 To call the shippers, bitch 2. 151 00:15:20,540 --> 00:15:25,200 Bitch 2, bitch. We gotta save, bitch the vegetarian, bitch on Henkie. 152 00:15:35,580 --> 00:15:36,580 Björn? 153 00:15:36,820 --> 00:15:37,880 Nah, Irish. 154 00:15:38,540 --> 00:15:40,600 Brothers. What are you doing there, huh? 155 00:15:51,660 --> 00:15:52,660 Well, Issa. 156 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:54,940 Our new CEO. 157 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:01,580 What are you doing here, actually? 158 00:16:02,500 --> 00:16:03,880 Well, not right away. 159 00:16:05,500 --> 00:16:07,180 Walk again, I believe? Yes. 160 00:16:08,060 --> 00:16:10,040 Charlene is still recovering exploring, huh? 161 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:11,800 Yes. 162 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:13,200 What is this then? 163 00:16:18,340 --> 00:16:19,740 Don't make me tie up. 164 00:16:20,579 --> 00:16:21,960 For Charlien and the guests. 165 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:24,920 He bought that land. 166 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,820 No, you're going to buy that land for me. 167 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,640 That's the new CEO of that fantastic track company here. 168 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:33,840 Hey, Charlien. 169 00:16:34,620 --> 00:16:37,060 Yeah, not even dangerous that's not mine. 170 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,220 But he'll probably go tonight not coming home. I will 171 00:16:42,220 --> 00:16:44,980 take along. He will stay with me sleep. It's thick like that, see. 172 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:47,220 He leaves that up a lot. 173 00:16:47,500 --> 00:16:48,900 You are not allowed to sit on it anymore. 174 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:51,640 Allee. Yo. 175 00:16:53,740 --> 00:16:54,740 Come on youngster, we're going out. 176 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:56,600 We're gone. 177 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,320 Come on, come on. 178 00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:00,500 Take the house with you. 179 00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:11,570 Go do something about it. 180 00:18:12,110 --> 00:18:14,850 Come and listen. 181 00:19:47,939 --> 00:19:52,420 Sorry, but I have here... Do you have this seen? 182 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:06,960 Come on, we have to move on. 183 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,540 The jury sees those images too, right? 184 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,300 She had no doubts with the jury. 185 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,500 I mean, that girl who chose first is... All those choices? Yes. 186 00:20:20,380 --> 00:20:21,380 Isn't he too young? 187 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,900 I know that one exactly from somewhere, but I... I don't have a bad feeling about it. 188 00:20:26,100 --> 00:20:27,620 That's exactly like a lottery, isn't it? 189 00:20:29,540 --> 00:20:30,580 It's okay, Mark. 190 00:20:31,340 --> 00:20:32,420 Everything will be fine. 191 00:20:35,790 --> 00:20:36,790 Not here. 192 00:20:40,110 --> 00:20:43,310 Mrs Palmers, would you please go to the right? please stand? 193 00:20:50,190 --> 00:20:52,870 You are accused of two serious crimes serious facts. 194 00:20:53,370 --> 00:20:56,850 I'd like to talk about it first the murder of your friend Brechtje 195 00:20:56,850 --> 00:20:58,030 Finder bird in 2000. 196 00:20:59,150 --> 00:21:01,370 You met each other on the university. 197 00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:04,530 No, that was during a holiday job. 198 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,200 In the car show. 199 00:21:07,940 --> 00:21:11,000 And you have Stefan de Munch there too get to know? 200 00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:12,460 Yes. 201 00:21:12,740 --> 00:21:14,540 We were from the same region. 202 00:21:16,660 --> 00:21:20,540 Would you like to ask the jury something? tell us about how you grew up? 203 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:22,900 Do you have brothers or sisters? 204 00:21:23,380 --> 00:21:25,620 No. I'm alone. 205 00:21:26,340 --> 00:21:28,860 Do you have good memories of your youth? 206 00:21:31,580 --> 00:21:34,740 I don't really want to talk about that talk. I have... 207 00:21:36,659 --> 00:21:38,200 A lot of effort went into all of that. 208 00:21:40,220 --> 00:21:41,220 Yes. 209 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,020 Did you have a good relationship with your parents? 210 00:21:44,260 --> 00:21:45,820 You were lost so young, weren't you? 211 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:47,360 Yes. 212 00:21:48,020 --> 00:21:51,040 I was eighteen when my father passed away died of cancer. 213 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,320 My mother never gets over that came. 214 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,280 She always said, I'm going to make my own kill it. But I do, yes. She 215 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:59,280 has done that too. 216 00:22:00,460 --> 00:22:02,620 Brechtje also lost her mother young age. 217 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:03,960 She then skipped a band. 218 00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:06,830 Maybe. 219 00:22:07,490 --> 00:22:08,490 Yes. 220 00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:13,970 I'd like to talk about it now the day of the facts. 221 00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:15,470 January 1, 2000. 222 00:22:18,030 --> 00:22:21,030 You had the night before celebrated New Year's Eve together. 223 00:22:22,210 --> 00:22:23,210 Yes. 224 00:22:25,950 --> 00:22:26,950 Yes. 225 00:22:28,650 --> 00:22:30,690 That was at Brechtje Scott. 226 00:22:30,910 --> 00:22:33,170 That was a party. A god festival. But Yes, I really know that. 227 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,500 It really doesn't bother me that much anymore. 228 00:22:38,060 --> 00:22:41,980 All I know is that I... woke up in her bed. 229 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,660 And then I had to go to it my family's new year party. And 230 00:22:47,660 --> 00:22:51,280 Brechtje left for her father for brunch. 231 00:22:52,260 --> 00:22:53,460 Mark finds the bird. 232 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:55,900 Yes. 233 00:22:57,780 --> 00:22:59,300 That New Year's party. 234 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,520 From your family on January 1st that was the annual event? 235 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,440 Yes. 236 00:23:06,380 --> 00:23:08,780 You stayed there all afternoon? 237 00:23:09,420 --> 00:23:10,740 Yes, yes. 238 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,600 Brecht went missing. 239 00:23:14,380 --> 00:23:15,900 That January 1st. 240 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,240 You also have to take her with you afterwards wanted. 241 00:23:20,540 --> 00:23:21,540 Yes. 242 00:23:22,260 --> 00:23:24,020 We all searched. 243 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,700 Was Stefan there too? 244 00:23:29,390 --> 00:23:30,390 I couldn't handle it. 245 00:23:30,670 --> 00:23:31,890 He looked so miserable. 246 00:23:32,610 --> 00:23:34,030 He missed Brechtje. 247 00:23:34,790 --> 00:23:37,850 I really did everything I could to help him can help. 248 00:23:39,550 --> 00:23:45,250 There are those who say that Brechtje and you fall in love with Stefan at the same time 249 00:23:45,250 --> 00:23:46,250 became. 250 00:23:46,550 --> 00:23:47,670 No, that's not true. 251 00:23:48,530 --> 00:23:51,650 So you weren't jealous when Brechtje and Stefan became a couple? 252 00:23:53,450 --> 00:23:54,450 No. 253 00:23:55,770 --> 00:23:56,990 I was happy for them. 254 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,900 The spark with Stefan only struck later about. 255 00:24:05,260 --> 00:24:06,260 Yes. 256 00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:09,680 That was only after Brechtje's death. 257 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,300 And two years later you got married? Three. 258 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:21,380 That may sound fast, but that... We had a lot 259 00:24:21,380 --> 00:24:22,380 sadness. 260 00:24:25,340 --> 00:24:26,640 I know what you're thinking. 261 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,720 I know what everyone here is thinking. 262 00:24:31,140 --> 00:24:34,340 That you don't do that. First start with the love of your best friend. 263 00:24:36,300 --> 00:24:38,260 How long have you been married? 264 00:24:40,180 --> 00:24:41,180 Twelve years. 265 00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:46,740 And then he leaves you for a new one woman. Yes. 266 00:24:48,260 --> 00:24:49,260 But how? 267 00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:53,700 Can you tell me what happened right before the divorce happened? 268 00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:57,220 I became pregnant with our daughter. 269 00:24:58,020 --> 00:25:00,620 Why are you having children so late? started? 270 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,460 You were even already 42. 271 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,140 That's personal. I'd rather tell you that not. 272 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,220 Given the serious facts, it seems to me Still relevant to be honest about that 273 00:25:12,220 --> 00:25:13,340 question to answer. 274 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:18,820 We had tried everything. 275 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,220 That didn't work. They were problems. 276 00:25:24,460 --> 00:25:26,120 Can you be more specific? 277 00:25:28,910 --> 00:25:29,910 I had an STD. 278 00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:33,230 HPV. 279 00:25:33,790 --> 00:25:37,610 I had almost damaged my womb, so I couldn't have any more children. 280 00:25:39,130 --> 00:25:42,010 When the daughter came, it's a semi-miracle. 281 00:25:43,770 --> 00:25:45,570 And how did you contract that STD? 282 00:25:47,310 --> 00:25:48,310 By Stefan. 283 00:25:49,410 --> 00:25:50,690 He cheated. 284 00:25:53,330 --> 00:25:57,230 And yet you became the one who didn't want to divorce. 285 00:25:59,050 --> 00:26:02,790 But he is the father of my child. 286 00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:03,990 From my child. 287 00:26:05,030 --> 00:26:11,830 You just thought I was her something would 288 00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:12,830 can show. 289 00:26:13,390 --> 00:26:15,130 That destroys me. 290 00:26:24,290 --> 00:26:26,780 Moi. I'm going to live here intensely. 291 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,820 I master you, your own child. 292 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,360 Yes, I don't have a child of my own, huh, but... Ah, no? 293 00:26:35,340 --> 00:26:37,520 Oh, but... It's just not for me. 294 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,800 I have my nephews and husbands. 295 00:26:40,220 --> 00:26:41,280 Is enough. Yes. 296 00:26:43,260 --> 00:26:44,640 Is it okay for me to sit here? 297 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:45,880 No. 298 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:53,839 Phone up. 299 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,220 What I understand is that they want that abolish, politics. 300 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,020 Yes, I think it's Public Ministry... I find it strange that that one 301 00:26:59,020 --> 00:27:03,020 are really convinced that those Free Palmers who committed two murders, 302 00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:09,460 while...Honestly...I have wrote down that I regret that 303 00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:10,860 that Stéphane sowas. 304 00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:24,520 Right now we are facing it courthouse in Ghent. There is a big one 305 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,040 attendance by both the public and the press for Friek's testimony 306 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,040 Balmers. 307 00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:39,840 As you know, we also have to spend the evening discussing that your daughter Roos is having a 308 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,180 glass shard was attacked. 309 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,020 What was your home situation at that time? 310 00:27:45,260 --> 00:27:46,340 I lived alone. 311 00:27:47,660 --> 00:27:49,340 But I also lived with Stefan. 312 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,380 Did you and Margot get along? 313 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:54,760 No. 314 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,620 So Margot is not a secretive person. 315 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:03,340 You still have her as a teacher yourself accepted at your school. 316 00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:08,820 Yes, but I didn't expect it at all that she was the type that Stefan would 317 00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:09,820 fall. 318 00:28:10,420 --> 00:28:11,420 Why not? 319 00:28:12,980 --> 00:28:15,800 He's not into women with one like that figure. 320 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,560 Such a figure? 321 00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:20,860 Such... 322 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,880 Such a regional board. 323 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,880 When Roos was born, Margot lived there and Stefan already together. 324 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,520 Yes, yes. 325 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,120 Stefan left while I was still pregnant was. 326 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,460 That must not have been easy for you. 327 00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:49,640 So, as a mother, to be all alone to stand for. 328 00:28:51,020 --> 00:28:54,800 I wasn't doing well. I was heavy. I was depressed. 329 00:28:55,700 --> 00:28:58,900 The doctor then gave me something prescribed. 330 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,940 It really excited me. 331 00:29:03,420 --> 00:29:06,540 It was a little more than hyped up. 332 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,300 You even lost in court exclusive parental authority. 333 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,740 Because of that bitch of child and family. 334 00:29:15,620 --> 00:29:19,940 I was too aggressive on my own child to care for. Can we believe that now? 335 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,060 He then went to court. Him has been given the right to do so. One time 336 00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:28,280 During the fortnight I still liked her see. Once every fourteen... That's it 337 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,160 normal? Of course I wanted my child see more. 338 00:29:31,500 --> 00:29:32,500 Of course. 339 00:29:33,580 --> 00:29:38,120 When was the last time you Have you seen Roosje for the facts? 340 00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:41,700 Four days. 341 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,420 So you still had a week and a half wait? 342 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,480 Yes. 343 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,700 But where were you actually when the facts took place? 344 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,720 Still at school. 345 00:30:01,460 --> 00:30:03,600 It was Boxing Day. Yes. 346 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,760 I was alone. 347 00:30:07,540 --> 00:30:09,740 I got x-rayed, it was a lot work. 348 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,360 And when I got home, I got one phone call from the neighbor. He said 349 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,980 that she had heard that Roosje was taken away by ambulance. 350 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,260 What time was that phone call? Against one about twelve o'clock. 351 00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:28,300 What do you think happened to Roosje? Mrs Palmers? 352 00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:31,860 I? 353 00:30:33,340 --> 00:30:36,360 I've said stupid things, I've said stupid ones things done. 354 00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:40,680 In my divorce... I know that well, of course it is. 355 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,960 But the police never went any further looked at that. 356 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,260 They used everything they could to capture me stitches, everything. 357 00:30:47,770 --> 00:30:50,910 They even have that old soft bag Brechtje was called in again. 358 00:30:51,490 --> 00:30:53,410 That has nothing to do with it, does it? 359 00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:57,710 Why do they have Margot and her mother not questioned better? Why? 360 00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:59,510 They were there. 361 00:30:59,870 --> 00:31:00,870 Not me. 362 00:31:02,110 --> 00:31:07,750 I've always said it's children's one unsafe environment for my child. 363 00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:09,930 Yes. 364 00:31:11,070 --> 00:31:12,070 Voila. 365 00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:14,290 See now. 366 00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:41,930 Baby, maybe now you should go to the Marefke's waiting. 367 00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:57,630 What's wrong? 368 00:31:59,030 --> 00:32:00,030 Vriever buys seven. 369 00:32:00,290 --> 00:32:01,290 And not you. 370 00:32:02,530 --> 00:32:04,650 You're not going to let her get in your head crawl? 371 00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:08,590 I'll get tested then whether it was so, certainly. 372 00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:13,900 The doctor never confirmed that that story is true. 373 00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:16,220 Stefan, you should have just told me say. 374 00:32:17,420 --> 00:32:19,040 She could have gotten that anywhere. 375 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,780 Did you tell her that I have a ironing board? 376 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,440 Come on, girl, that comes from her, That's not coming from me, is it? 377 00:32:29,260 --> 00:32:30,600 She's so clean. 378 00:32:32,540 --> 00:32:35,760 Where does she get that in one go? I would have done something to Roos? 379 00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:51,040 I did just that. 380 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,440 What? Those last words of Free. 381 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,740 Is it allowed? The head of the jury must remain neutral. 382 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,520 Please. 383 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,700 You were the first to be drawn, so you are head of the jury. 384 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,500 You are not supposed to be at the least emotional. 385 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,780 Sorry, Karl, but it's all over him. 386 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:16,460 Yeah, I get excited faster than... You are full of him. 387 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,060 I thought you were still at Merci. 388 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,280 What? 389 00:33:42,780 --> 00:33:43,780 Here. 390 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,100 Are you also behind this? 391 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,000 No, we are by tram. 392 00:33:54,860 --> 00:33:58,040 I could give you a lift, but then you're going to promise me that you're dirty 393 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,040 ways to make. 394 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,400 There's nothing wrong with dirty manners, right? 395 00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:10,620 That's your car? 396 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,300 Yes. Come on, go to work. 397 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:13,699 What might you do? 398 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,639 I have my father's construction company undertaken. 399 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,500 Yes? I work for the union. 400 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,360 Oh dear. 401 00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:24,320 Yes, oops. 402 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,300 Salute eh. Okay, salute. 403 00:34:40,909 --> 00:34:41,929 Did everything go well? 404 00:34:42,130 --> 00:34:43,130 Yes. Yes? 405 00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:48,110 Thank you. I don't know what else I would have have to do. That's no problem. The 406 00:34:48,110 --> 00:34:50,350 school is close by. Take it jackets ever? Yes. 407 00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:55,489 Yeah, I had to deal with this... Wait, huh. I had to give this to you. 408 00:34:56,850 --> 00:34:58,410 Could you fill that in? 409 00:34:59,150 --> 00:35:05,090 And yes, are you packing your jacket? And I'm going cannot work. I'm not coming to work 410 00:35:05,090 --> 00:35:07,350 while posting. I'll bring that up order. 411 00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:12,110 Now that's quite a punishment that you're in that jury is sitting. We were there last week 412 00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:13,110 still working on it. 413 00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:14,510 Do you think he did that? 414 00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:17,430 There shouldn't be anything left there. 415 00:35:18,250 --> 00:35:19,350 Yes, I understand that. 416 00:35:19,810 --> 00:35:21,430 Okay. And Flanders, will you pack a backpack? 417 00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:23,330 Voila. We're going to see daddy. 418 00:35:23,850 --> 00:35:26,590 Yes. Okay. I will have them tomorrow too pick up. 419 00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:29,970 Yes, I'll try organize. But it is very sweet. 420 00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:34,150 Okay. Come on, boys. We have to go away. Bye, children. 421 00:35:35,230 --> 00:35:36,230 Your backpack. 422 00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:39,540 No. 423 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,760 Marik. 424 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,520 You have to prepare for the verdict maybe it could be done differently 425 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:15,520 turn out. 426 00:36:17,860 --> 00:36:22,240 Because what Fri owes... 427 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:32,700 I 428 00:36:32,700 --> 00:36:33,980 I had so much support from Fri. 429 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,600 Let it rest for a while. 430 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,240 I'll be able-bodied at home. 431 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,380 Come on, darlings. We're here. 432 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,080 Seatbelts off. 433 00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:13,650 Luket. 434 00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:15,950 Hey, hop. 435 00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:19,390 Book bags. 436 00:37:21,870 --> 00:37:23,210 That's a sure thing. 437 00:37:27,130 --> 00:37:28,850 Kiss. Bye daddy. 438 00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:30,490 Hello Lieweke. 439 00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:34,210 Hey. 440 00:37:35,290 --> 00:37:37,010 Be good, both of you. Yes. 441 00:37:37,930 --> 00:37:41,310 Sure, I promise. Yes, I promise. Not too argue a lot. 442 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,200 Have you been today? 443 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:27,560 Yes. 444 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:29,900 Was home so late. 445 00:38:32,940 --> 00:38:34,160 Isn't there anyone else? 446 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,160 No. 447 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,400 I understood that. 448 00:38:39,740 --> 00:38:41,260 I know it's a difficult day. 449 00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:16,820 Don't get better after that. 450 00:40:06,350 --> 00:40:07,470 Mrs. Custer, package. 451 00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:08,750 Thank you. 452 00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:10,670 First a gap. 453 00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:14,990 Thank you. 454 00:40:40,110 --> 00:40:44,210 At the millennium process this morning the indictment was read out. 455 00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:49,110 Afterwards, Friede Palmers testified as first. She spoke about, among other things, the 456 00:40:49,110 --> 00:40:53,350 contested divorce with her ex-husband Stéphane the Munch and the difficult relationship with 457 00:40:53,350 --> 00:40:55,790 his new partner, Margot Dindemans. 458 00:40:56,490 --> 00:41:00,610 Palmers faces murder charges her two-year-old daughter Roos and her 459 00:41:00,610 --> 00:41:03,530 best friend Brechtje Vindvogel, 18 years ago. 460 00:41:03,830 --> 00:41:07,990 The jury faces the difficult task of deciding judge her guilt. 461 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,000 Is he on that jury after all? 462 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,660 Or not? 463 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,780 I am a substitute. 464 00:41:39,020 --> 00:41:40,280 So you shouldn't go every day? 465 00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:44,140 Yes. 466 00:41:48,350 --> 00:41:49,570 Is it included or is it not included? 467 00:41:57,070 --> 00:42:01,990 I... I can't do anything else. 468 00:42:02,210 --> 00:42:03,390 I asked you one thing. 469 00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:06,610 One thing. 470 00:42:07,850 --> 00:42:08,870 That's also a no, isn't it? 471 00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:14,070 I'll solve that. 472 00:42:14,350 --> 00:42:15,350 Yes, but... 473 00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:18,130 Everything is tinkering. 474 00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:25,910 Mike? 475 00:42:29,330 --> 00:42:30,330 Mike, come on. 476 00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:35,270 Mike? 477 00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:37,950 Mike, open that door. 478 00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:42,130 Come on. 479 00:42:42,410 --> 00:42:43,570 You don't mean that, do you? 480 00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:46,170 Mike, you can't be serious, can you? 481 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,400 Mike, hear it, please. 482 00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:55,700 Mike. 483 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,920 Mike, please, hear it. Come on. 484 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:10,200 Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, 485 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,740 Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, Rose, 486 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:22,400 Roosje, 487 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:32,960 Roosje, 488 00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:39,030 Mrs Palmers. 489 00:44:42,190 --> 00:44:46,830 Your daughter was injured at her home hit by a shard in the neck. She 490 00:44:46,830 --> 00:44:48,070 is currently undergoing surgery. 491 00:44:48,910 --> 00:44:53,450 We would... We would still have my wish to request cooperation. You can do that this way 492 00:44:53,450 --> 00:44:54,450 right away. 493 00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:57,950 Voluntary relinquishment of DNA. 494 00:44:58,230 --> 00:45:01,250 We want as many people as possible right away exclude. 495 00:45:01,730 --> 00:45:04,130 What can I see with a child? 496 00:45:25,290 --> 00:45:26,770 Can you open your mouth for a moment, please? 497 00:45:32,890 --> 00:45:34,370 Yes, a little bit up. 498 00:45:39,970 --> 00:45:40,970 Then we're done. 499 00:45:44,810 --> 00:45:46,090 Can we go to Roosje now? 500 00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:47,670 Listen. 501 00:45:47,830 --> 00:45:51,290 I know you'll see your daughter there soon tries to slit their throats. I'm going 502 00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:53,970 get you. And then I'll make sure you before Jaren goes to jail.